Balanced Discussion or SLOMO DEBATE. A digital tool for democracy

Author: David McKnight

What NEED does this meet?

I can never recall a debating point to trump a clever one during a live debate or discussion. It comes a few days later well away from any time to be effective. There are countless people who never look at the other side of an argument. Often important proposals are made which have to be revisited countless times before any thing concrete is done about the problem and time is wasted in revisiting or even neglecting points obvious to some but not others. Our whole system of decisions can be hijacked by people who are just clever, opportune or are prepared to shout the loudest. This debate proposal might take longer, but is an opportunity to be more reflective, would force each side to be as prominent as the other and in the long run could save time in avoiding constant revisiting. I cannot think of a sphere of public life where this would not be useful. It may even be useful to rational thinking on a more private level. It will never replace live debate, just enhance it.

What is the APPROACH?

The idea is for a trained volunteer to take on the â??chairâ?? or moderating role on a web page dedicated to one debate. It would be linked from an entry, registration and directory page. A good deal of thought would have to be put into deciding the motion. Thought that would cover the widest range of debating points. The job of the moderator would be to copy and paste single debating points submitted by general contributors using e-mail into a two column table, one for and one against the motion. There would be a limit to the number of words that could go into each cell. Outside of this restriction, the cell could also contain either a web-site URL or an e-mail address that could lead the reader to a source of data or other evidence to support this point. Another function of the moderator would be to spot overlapping points and return to sender for revision and substitute better versions of points. Thus there would be a reason for people to separate arguments into specific debating points and overall to be clear simple and concise. As the idea and its development progressed there would be a further opportunity for interaction with the site and it should be possible with the use of embedded counters to allow for separate endorsements of each point again by e-mail or clicking a box. The moderator would be charged with putting the points with the largest endorsements nearer the top of the list. Additionally the moderator would have to arrange that points that bore relevance to opposing points -or even were the simple opposite would be physically placed opposite. A restriction to keep the number of points approximately equal in each column would encourage all angles to be covered. This restriction would be somehow limited in time or lifted when points ceased to flow in. Training and/or licensing for a moderator would be vital to prevent misuse. See below for a partial attempt at the format. The system would not attempt to sum up or to reach a conclusion for the reader.

What are the BENEFITS to people?

This would have the potential to vastly improve the quality of debate for any institution or group of individuals. It may not lend itself immediately to every contentious issue but it would if used improve the chance of more people contributing to the validity of conclusions reached as a result of a debate. Thus it enhances democracy itself. It would also show the relative importance of each point across a wide range of contributor backgrounds within a debate. It has the potential to counter the human weakness or trait to fixate on a limited number of points.

What is the COMPETITION?

If you Google â??Balanced debateâ?? and â??Balanced Discussionâ?? you get 65 million hits calling for or trying to implement balance somewhere, but without going through each of these site to check this, I doubt if any one of them has a universal tool as is being proposed. Sampling shows that these sites are very verbose.

In researching it I came across the following site

www.balancedpolitics.org

which contains tables on a variety of topics that was prepared by a limited number of authors. The site has possibly not changed in the time (18 months) since I first saw it. It is certainly not as interactive as the current proposals need to be for survival.

What BUDGETS & LOGISTICS are required?

The whole site needs good moderation of moderators and to build up the site from trust. A â??Kiteâ?? mark indeed. As there is a potential rake off for moderation a registration and training fee could be charged. Editors of Newspapers and Magazines would be very interested in publishing the results of a debate nearing its conclusion. A percentage of this revenue would be passed to the moderator. The rest of this would fund development of additional software to make the jobs of moderation and endorsements easier. Initial trials to sort out layout, protocols, training and advice could be tackled with existing coding (say Word) and simple e mailing. I would suggest that the word politics would not be in the title or used in advertising literature. It appeal is wider than politics. It could put some off. It could be used by any organisation or group of individuals although politics would undoubtedly latch on to it.

6 Comments

  1. There is a glimmer of something good here, David. I say this because of my frustration with the discussion experienced on various forums. Particularly as regards repetitiveness, off the point issues, verboseness and aggressiveness – as well as non-liberal atitudes.
    The idea of an everpresent chair/moderator in charge of sorting everything out as we go along sounds a bit pie-in-the sky and too much for one person. I am not looking for a job, but I think it would take at least 3 to 5 persons taking turns at this onerous task.

  2. Dear David,

    An interesting idea, and one which could be expanded on usefully.

    Two points, one (fairly) trivial, the other more important:

    Firstly, please try to divide up your huge blocks of text into more readable paragraphs. This helps the reader absorb the salient points, and avoide “reader fatigue”

    Secondly, I am very wary about your proposal to have “the Chair” a.k.a. the moderator allocate pro & con points any “point-score” however you define it. (Assuming I understood the system you are proposing) Either leave thisng unassessed, or merely have a mindless system of “hit points”, i.e. how many times do contributors say the same thing?

    To have a single person give some pro or con points more or less weight than others merely substitutes a mon-archy for a poly-archy or (my prefernece) an an-archy.

    I am a regular reader of one newsgroup alt.fan.pratchett which has a small team of moderators, but is essentially self-regulating, even if some people find it necessary to killfile (i.e. filter out) a particularly obnoxious contributor. Unfortunately this does not lend itself to any realistic decision-making debate system.

    In real world ALL inter-personal “transactions” become biases towards those people who are – to use your words – just clever, opportune or are prepared to shout the loudest. This can never be overcome, as human psychology is still very much simian-based. The Alpha male or female runs the troop, and a direct battle of wills is destined to fail.

    Where Homo (self-styled) Sapiens has the advantage over other primates is that we have the concept of abstract language, which allows for rational discussion. What we can never shift is the effect of the strongest personality dominating the others, whether in a pub, on a playing field, or in Committee meetings. Note – the strongest personality is not neccessarily the official Leader, just the one which leads by example.

    A nice project, but you need to run in parrallel to human psychology, not at right-angles to it.

    All the best!

  3. I like the original idea of a site where arguments on major issues are organised as debates and archived to enable some progress in each discussion.

    I wonder if there is a tree structure which would make the grouping of topics logical and accessible? I mean some way of putting the topics into categories.

    The debate on Capital Punishment, for example, belongs under the categories Crime & Punishment and possibly under Social Issues or Social Organisation.

    The debate on Life After Death would belong under Existence and then Metaphysics?

    The debate on the War in Iraq would belong under Politics.

    Or does this suggestion make things unnecessarily complicated?

    Les Reid

  4. An interesting proposal David though, because it needs the input of a trained volunteer, I’m not sure that it meets an implied requirement of this challenge which is that the site need “never be thought about again”.

    In reading it I was somewhat reminded of a public enquiry; those tortuous and long-winded affairs that call upon countless experts and yet never seem to come to the right conclusion!

    I looked, out of interest, at http://www.balancedpolitics.org/death_penalty.htm and found myself detecting bias in what are supposed to be impartial and balance arguments put for and against. Furthermore, if parameters surrounding the argument are changed or one comes at it with a different point of view, points in favour readily become points against. Wouldn’t the arguments posted on this site go round in circles forever.

    Finally, I unfortunately think that the solutions to many complex issues cannot be attained through general debate, however well informed and intentioned. Benevolent autocracy is regretably and possibly a better solution.

  5. David McKnight

    I thought That I would reply to all comments so far in one go

    John
    seems to think that it will take 3 to 5 persons to chair a debate. Well in fact one chair person would choose only one topic( until he /she proved that more could be handled), it would be spread over several weeks if not months, would have been appointed (licensed?) when proved capable of chairing several dummy runs. More over the chair would be licensed because they proved some commitment to getting a balanced outcome put on record. Such people do exist even if at present they work for ACAS or some conciliation organisation. The amateur versions are out there.The format is designed to cut out verboseness and aggression. It would only be accepted as a point (provided the chair was well trained ) if a debating point was straightforward, simple and concise.

    Jonathan

    I admit to a lack of finesse in presenting the case. This was partly due to a lack of timetable for the whole process of submission and selection. Getting it in quickly was my priority – unnecessary as it turns out.

    Regarding the points. There would be only one best statement of a “debating point”(or idea)- no scoring there.After further development of the software any reader of the debate could ENDORSE that idea. It would be the accumulative number of endorsements that simply affected the order of the ideas appearing in the list.Again no scoring here.No power to the chair. A bad summary sheet and everyone loses.The integrity of the site will lie with the training,licensing and integrity of the individuals. Just allowing each reader an interactive involvement.Remember the site will not draw conclusions- simply make a fairer and more lasting solution easily available.We can never totally overcome human traits, but I feel that the structuring of information as proposed will allow the good traits to shine through. I am not stifling rational discussion which will go on forever at the live level.Those who cannot keep up with live debate and this means a very large proportion of the populus, stand to benefit most.

    The “Alpha Male” must not be allowed to dominate. Reason should.

    This idea came from the frustrations that I have experienced on forums too.

    Les
    Has done some forward thinking on structuring the lead in pages. Thank you Les.

    Quentin

    I do not think that the site will ” never be thought of again “.It will need constant watching.. I think though that the idea, once up and running has some self sustaining qualities.

    Yes I agree that the sample site was biased , but then it was written by probably one or two people with an axe to grind.This proposal is for the opposite of this. The most power comes from contributors of ideas directing readers to a good reliable source of supporting data.

    Archiving the points or ideas does not mean the same as going round in circles forever. Conclusions and the actions that follows go on outside of this site.

    Public enquiries,I believe, have to be presented in legal terms. The site will have failed if it emulates these.

    I do not agree that the human race has to be dominated by “Benevolent Autocracy”.

    Structure, Simplicity and Rationalisation Rules!!!