Comments on: The Free Our Bills Campaign launches http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/ Relentless user-focus on civic websites Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:00:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: PPPILA http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-183759 PPPILA Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:38:20 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-183759 The public should be able to comment on bills and suggest their own worded amendments for the Lords & Commons to consider. Legal draughtsmanship is not always good and, on occasions, the pubic can do it better (well I certainly can). However no one listens to the public. Lets also abandon this silly and false pretence of "democracy". Democracy only exists when there is full transparency and genuine accountability with national and local government. After all both ostensibly exist to server the public rather than to over-fill the pockets of those allegedly working for the public. The public should be able to comment on bills and suggest their own worded amendments for the Lords & Commons to consider.

Legal draughtsmanship is not always good and, on occasions, the pubic can do it better (well I certainly can). However no one listens to the public.

Lets also abandon this silly and false pretence of “democracy”. Democracy only exists when there is full transparency and genuine accountability with national and local government. After all both ostensibly exist to server the public rather than to over-fill the pockets of those allegedly working for the public.

]]> By: Collin Hall http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-170443 Collin Hall Sat, 03 Jul 2010 08:26:51 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-170443 I was listening to 'Today in Parliament' last night and I was gob-smacked that Conservative MP's had to camp out overnight to ensure that their private members bills get on to the list. Listen here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00stlcp/Today_in_Parliament_02_07_2010/ I was listening to ‘Today in Parliament’ last night and I was gob-smacked that Conservative MP’s had to camp out overnight to ensure that their private members bills get on to the list.

Listen here – http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00stlcp/Today_in_Parliament_02_07_2010/

]]> By: Vityahya http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-111318 Vityahya Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:30:53 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-111318 Ellentétben a fit Hilda Meers ", egyértelmű, hogy nem flaunting jóváhagyásával David Cameron, hanem egyszerű, jelentések, hogyan kell aláásni és a szabad akarat teszi, hogy munkatársai magát a konzervatív elme me teljesen ingyen ... Cameron, hogy az első olyan pártvezér, hogy nyilvánosan támogassák a kampányt, hogy ha sikeres, hatékonyan parlament jobban elszámoltatható az embereknek, azt nem mondja el nekünk valamit konzervatív gondolat? Az összes hitel az ember, azt mondom - ő az egyetlen olyan párt vezetője, aki már az udvariasság, hogy küldjön kérdésre válaszolva ... Ellentétben a fit Hilda Meers “, egyértelmű, hogy nem flaunting jóváhagyásával David Cameron, hanem egyszerű, jelentések, hogyan kell aláásni és a szabad akarat teszi, hogy munkatársai magát a konzervatív elme me teljesen ingyen … Cameron, hogy az első olyan pártvezér, hogy nyilvánosan támogassák a kampányt, hogy ha sikeres, hatékonyan parlament jobban elszámoltatható az embereknek, azt nem mondja el nekünk valamit konzervatív gondolat?
Az összes hitel az ember, azt mondom – ő az egyetlen olyan párt vezetője, aki már az udvariasság, hogy küldjön kérdésre válaszolva …

]]> By: ATFlynn http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-1979 ATFlynn Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:17:13 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-1979 Marvellous. I have also been trying to engender an interest in the results of most of the nonsense that seeps out of Westminster when most people are off for the week-end or it is the last day of the Parliamentary Session. I have come to the conclusion that the voters and the poor bl**** Taxpayer, are just wasting their time and their money, imagining that they support Democracy. And yet, how can you vote for a democratic system when the people you vote for are under the control of a bunch of Rubbish at Brussels. It is my opinion that the Thirty-one and a-half-million Taxpayers of the UK., should just abandon Westminster as the seat of government. As things stand today, every Taxpayer can simply change the way they work and are paid, so that the Employee and the Employer can Legally avoid Direct Taxation and the only Taxation that can be Legally enforced is the Local Council Tax. I have spoken to South Norfolk District Council and to Norfolk CC about this as it would be illegal for elected Councillors to be involved in any challenge to the authority of the Government. My vision, is of the Taxpayer in control of Taxation, County by County, then if you want to say no to the nonsense of wind turbines or eco-towns, it is your shout. Not some half-***ed politician who has listened to the words of the Brussels Politburo. Regards, "Norfolk's Mutineer" (ATFlynn.) Marvellous. I have also been trying to engender an interest in the results of most of the nonsense that seeps out of Westminster
when most people are off for the week-end or it is the last day of the Parliamentary Session.
I have come to the conclusion that the voters and the poor bl****
Taxpayer, are just wasting their time and their money, imagining that they support Democracy. And yet, how can you vote for a democratic system when the people you vote for are under the control of a bunch of Rubbish at Brussels.
It is my opinion that the Thirty-one and a-half-million Taxpayers of the UK., should just abandon Westminster as the seat of government. As things stand today, every Taxpayer can simply change the way they work and are paid, so that the Employee and the Employer can Legally avoid Direct Taxation and the only Taxation that can be Legally enforced is the Local Council Tax.
I have spoken to South Norfolk District Council and to Norfolk CC
about this as it would be illegal for elected Councillors to be involved in any challenge to the authority of the Government.
My vision, is of the Taxpayer in control of Taxation, County by County, then if you want to say no to the nonsense of wind turbines or eco-towns, it is your shout. Not some half-***ed politician who has listened to the words of the Brussels Politburo.
Regards, “Norfolk’s Mutineer” (ATFlynn.)

]]> By: Morus http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-1967 Morus Sat, 10 May 2008 21:51:40 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-1967 Great campaign guys - good luck! Hilda Meers, (assuming that isn't a wonderful spoof comment) if you're going to fight 'privelege' [sic] it would be a good start if you learnt how to spell it. Good ideas are good ideas, irrespective of whether or not David Cameron agrees with them. Whether you agree with him on other things or not, this is a great project, and having the support of the Leader of the Opposition (possibly the future PM) is a piece of good news for this project. Congratulations to all involved in securing his endorsement. Great campaign guys – good luck!

Hilda Meers, (assuming that isn’t a wonderful spoof comment) if you’re going to fight ‘privelege’ [sic] it would be a good start if you learnt how to spell it. Good ideas are good ideas, irrespective of whether or not David Cameron agrees with them. Whether you agree with him on other things or not, this is a great project, and having the support of the Leader of the Opposition (possibly the future PM) is a piece of good news for this project. Congratulations to all involved in securing his endorsement.

]]> By: Ken Goodier http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-1965 Ken Goodier Tue, 06 May 2008 18:00:43 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-1965 Contrary to Hilda Meers' outburst, it's clear you're not boasting about David Cameron's endorsement but merely reporting it as fact; how this subverts her free will and causes her to associate herself with Conservative thinking escapes me entirely...if Cameron is the first party leader to publicly endorse a campaign which if successful will effectively make parliament more accountable to the people, does that tell us something about Conservative thinking? All credit to the man, say I - he's the only party leader who's ever had the courtesy to send me a reply to an enquiry... Keep up the good work, guys! Ken Goodier. Contrary to Hilda Meers’ outburst, it’s clear you’re not boasting about David Cameron’s endorsement but merely reporting it as fact; how this subverts her free will and causes her to associate herself with Conservative thinking escapes me entirely…if Cameron is the first party leader to publicly endorse a campaign which if successful will effectively make parliament more accountable to the people, does that tell us something about Conservative thinking?
All credit to the man, say I – he’s the only party leader who’s ever had the courtesy to send me a reply to an enquiry…

Keep up the good work, guys!

Ken Goodier.

]]> By: Tom Steinberg http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-1964 Tom Steinberg Tue, 06 May 2008 15:04:43 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-1964 tom h - have updated the link to the YouTube video, thanks to Gareth for the link. tom h – have updated the link to the YouTube video, thanks to Gareth for the link.

]]> By: tom h http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-1963 tom h Tue, 06 May 2008 14:59:17 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-1963 If you are going to link to Cameron's site, you could link to the specific video, not make us trawl through pages of ghastly Boris-endorsing hideousness to find the video in question! If you are going to link to Cameron’s site, you could link to the specific video, not make us trawl through pages of ghastly Boris-endorsing hideousness to find the video in question!

]]> By: Gareth http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-1962 Gareth Tue, 06 May 2008 14:52:47 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-1962 The link given isn't direct to the video featuring Cameron. This link works though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ter8T5B8ojI The link given isn’t direct to the video featuring Cameron. This link works though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ter8T5B8ojI

]]> By: Hilda Meers http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/comment-page-1/#comment-1961 Hilda Meers Tue, 06 May 2008 14:27:13 +0000 http://www.mysociety.org/2008/03/25/the-free-our-bills-campaign-launches/#comment-1961 Ugh- your boasting about an endorsement by Cameron makes me want to puke (not that 'New Labour' policies are anything but shameful). Associating myself with Conservative views goes entirely against my grain. The idea that Cameron's lot has an interest in freedom requires a degree of naivete that denies rational analysis of what Conservatives stand for, now, previously and in their future pro-privelege outlook. Ugh- your boasting about an endorsement by Cameron makes me want to puke (not that ‘New Labour’ policies are anything but shameful). Associating myself with Conservative views goes entirely against my grain. The idea that Cameron’s lot has an interest in freedom requires a degree of naivete that denies rational analysis of what Conservatives stand for, now, previously and in their future pro-privelege outlook.

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